Twas the Night After Real World

I love Real World for many reasons.  It’s like a high school reunion except that you actually like (mostly) and get along with all your old classmates.  Everyone is there at Real World to talk about Real Studio and praise it (and bitch about it).  There were plenty of things to talk about this year.

The good news/bad news is that the 2012 Release 1 will come out later than what anyone expected and will still have the old IDE user interface.  But it turns out that this is good news in that R1 will contain a ton of bug fixes and minor to medium changes that will help everyone.  Release 2 will then have the new IDE.  Personally, I feel that my post from several months ago was pretty much spot on though in no way do I feel that my post had any influence on their decision.  I guess I can say, with very minor satisfaction, “Told you so.”

Web Edition is maturing nicely with news of an upcoming WebCanvas control that works pretty much like the desktop canvas control.  The 1-click installation on Real Software web hosting is interesting and I think I will try to move my web apps to their service so I can go back to regular shared hosting for my website.  Take what’s simple and put it on a simple server and take what’s complex and put it on the complex server.  It will make my life easier in the long run I think.

Cocoa is turning out to be a tough nut to crack.  Apple is doing things MUCH differently in Cocoa than in Carbon in a few areas and it seems that it’s hard to figure that out until you actually do the work.  Any framework is big and the deal with Real Software is that they’re trying hard to make it transparent to us.   But, the move to Cocoa, while very difficult, is an absolute must because Apple is slowly killing Carbon, it’s the only way to get 64 bit support and, it’s the only way to get iOS apps built in the long run.

iOS applications could be huge for Real Software.  Assuming they get it to work like we all need it to and it’s ‘just like’ an xCode app only written using Real Studio then they will have an unbelievably huge hit on their hands.  I can’t tell you how many clients ask me about leveraging their Real Studio code in an iOS app.  Currently that’s not possible.  A year from now?  I don’t know but I’ll be eager to test it even in the alpha stage.

Bottom line is that even though the company has taken a very long time to get the next version out the door I believe that this delay has been put to good use.  They’ve found stuff in the frameworks that they’ve been able to fix before it ever gets to us.  This is a good thing.  The delay is painful (and possibly executed poorly especially considering the talk on Agile software development) but we, and they, will be better off for it.

One can certainly argue the effectiveness of trying to code both the Cocoa framework changes AND a new IDE interface all at the same time but the fact is that they have made the Cocoa framework better by trying to do both at the same time.  By using the framework closer to how WE’LL be using it they’ve identified and squashed many more areas of concern.  The new IDE is a lot of change and some will hate it and some will love it and most of us will be in the middle.  I won’t know until I can spend 8 to 10 hours a day on it for a couple of weeks.  Based on what I saw at the conference that’s not possible now so the delay in getting the new IDE out is another good reason to push it of a release.

This is the first year where I’ve had multiple prospective clients talk to me about work.  If I manage to get all of the work I’d probably have to double my developer staff.  That’s a good problem to have!  I even had one client show up to the conference specifically to talk to me and my developers.

I though the location was okay and it was certainly better than Austin (nothing against Austin, just been there 5 or 6 times now).  I didn’t bring my family because we’ve been to both Disney World and Disneyland so Orlando had no attraction for me.  If they were to hold Real World again next year I’d recommend Las Vegas, San Diego or Seattle.  While some people might have enjoyed having it at the forefront of the big Memorial Day holiday weekend I didn’t as I felt like I lost the first part of it traveling home.  To each their own and I’d love to see more feedback on it.

I want to thank everyone for introducing themselves.  I had a lot of compliments about this blog and the magazine column and that really gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling.  I certainly don’t do it for the money and there are plenty of times where I feel like I’m talking to myself.  So at least I know I’m not totally crazy.  🙂

What was your takeaway from the conference?  Do you want me to dig deeper into any topics I’ve been posting about?


21 thoughts on “Twas the Night After Real World

  1. The funniest thing about Real World is that they didn’t even mentioned a word in their website or weblog about the conference!!! the thing they were proud about!
    I think they are shameful enough to say nothing to developers about the DELAY…….
    I don’t care sh.. about the new web app stuffz on IE, i want my app runs stable. that’s all

  2. I’m not sure I understand your point. RealWorld was announced 6 months ago, maybe longer, and been in every newsletter since. It has a dedicated web page on their website too.

    You can argue about announcements but they did announce the delay at RealWorld and people like me are talking about it. I CARE about everything they talked about because my business is nearly 100% Real Studio.

  3. @Mahyar
    What could we have done to make you aware of it? Because I feel like we exhausted every avenue. Website, newsletters, direct e-mail, forum ads, twitter, facebook, and the mailing lists. Maybe more I’m not remembering.

  4. Mahyar :
    The funniest thing about Real World is that they didn’t even mentioned a word in their website or weblog about the conference!!! the thing they were proud about!
    I think they are shameful enough to say nothing to developers about the DELAY…….
    I don’t care sh.. about the new web app stuffz on IE, i want my app runs stable. that’s all

    Sign up for the RS spam. It’s really light. Seriously, they present it as a newsletter not an in your face advertisement.

  5. “Las Vegas, San Diego or Seattle”

    All great suggestions. Vegas is usually cheapest if you want to keep the frugal minded on board.

  6. I’ve never been to Real World as I’m not sure what the main benefit for a developer is?

    Do you really learn a lot more about actual coding techniques that are useful or is it just mainly blabbing with other Real Studio developers?

    Maybe because I’ve been heading in a different direction possibly moving away from RS and not doing client jobs anymore that I’m not very interested in schmoozing people at a conference.

    How much is the total cost assuming you need to fly there, stay in the hotel and pay for it ?

    $3k? Per person?

    I’d rather trade it.

  7. ..and go Kite Surfing.

    Hey Bob, why is there no edit feature on your blog?

  8. I don’t vote form Vegas. I have been to a ton of shows there. Half the participants at any given time aren’t in the event but are gambling. No matter what hotel you goto, on or off strip, if they have conf rooms to hold it, they have a casino that you have to go through to get to the conference.

    San Diego or Seattle is fine in my book.

    I know real has requirements/restrictions for the conference. Maybe they can pick few sites and run a poll on them.

  9. @Sh3ppard
    I learn something at every conference. This year I learned about a way to do advanced data binding by extending our ActiveRecord classes. It promises to reduce the time of creating database applications in half. That was worth the price of admission there.

    I got to see a number of applications that people were doing with Real Studio. Not that I learned anything new but seeing what other people have done is a worthy experience especially when you ask them how they did something or how they worked around a particular bug/limitation.

    Having access to the engineers and giving them feedback is another worthwhile reason to go. Getting to know them and showing them your problem is sometimes a more effective way to get it fixed than a 1000 Feedback reports.

    As a consultant I talked with 4 prospective clients. I so rarely get to physically meet clients it’s a treat to sit down and talk to them. They were there to learn more about Real Studio and meet consultants.

    Of course, if you are not happy with Real Studio and think it’s a waste of time then the conference will be too. You get what you expect.

  10. First of all, thanks Bob for taking Your time to spread the word. It’s highly appreciated.

    It seems that most head lines was around Mac and its subworld. What about RS and Windows, Linux, Android?

  11. @DMW
    Cocoa is definitely Mac only. It’s improved a lot and people will see that shortly.
    Web edition has as well.

    64 bit is for ALL platforms (windows, linux, mac os, desktop, web & console apps).
    There is a specific ordering to when we’ll get each on ready to roll thought (I just don’t recall the details as for any RS user it should be mostly invisible)

    Android at this time remains something we’re interested in – but have made no commitments about since we already have a lot on our plate.

  12. @jjb Beer? lol, nope. Haven’t had any for quite a while 🙁 However I am exhausted.

    @Bob – Thanks for the info.


    If you’re going to think about Washington state, I’d suggest Bellevue over Seattle.

    @self – Man I need more sleep.

  13. Hi Bob,
    a quick question – nothing of the stuff from Real World has been posted on the RS web-site, just some 20 pictures from the event. Were all attendees signing an NDA or some kind of information embargo?

  14. @Mattias Sandström
    I never signed an NDA to not talk about the info I learned about at Real World. If they had tried to impose that I wouldn’t have gone. 🙂

    I would imagine that they won’t talk in much detail about these things because it involves future releases. You know, the same old song and dance about not talking about things because they’re fluid or they don’t want to set expectations too soon, blah, blah.

    It might just be simpler to say that practically everyone employed by Real Software was there at the event. I would expect more info this week.

  15. It’s good to see Real World back again. I’m just sorry that I haven’t been able to travel. I miss the sessions and seeing old friends.

    Very exciting news from Real Software! The compiler, framework and iOS announcements could mean a broader user base and a lower bar for writing iOS apps.

  16. Bob, how do people recognize a consultant at Real World? How do you identify yourself? I’m eventually going to be able to make one of these. Seattle would be convenient.

    • Well you find the consultants because they’re pasty white. Oh…wait. Everyone there was pasty white (or sunburned). 🙂

      We were one of the sponsors so seeing our company name on the badge was helpful. And I guess blogging and writing about Real Studio consistently for a number of years helps. Being one of the founders of ARBP doesn’t hurt either I suppose.

      I know at one point Dana, from RS, introduced me to people wanting to hire developers. We talked for a bit but didn’t go any further (though we might exchange some emails later). I think the best way to do it is ask the RS folks since they know who the consultants are and talk to everyone. If I was looking for a consultant I’d look for the people that are dressed a little more formally than everyone else. We did, but I don’t know if that really helps other than putting us in the mindset that we’re there to work (we had 3 consultants there and gave 3 presentations).

      If I have any say in the matter I’d like to have a round of conferences on the West coast. If it’s RS that’s great but I might do a traveling roadshow for a day or two of training and get togethers here and there similar to what Monkeybread Software does. Maybe I’ll try to coordinate with the various RB user groups. Dunno, haven’t formalized anything yet.

  17. Putting together a reasonably priced event in Las Vegas isn’t all that hard, plus air tickets from almost any part of the country are inexpensive.

    Honestly I think twice about attending any developer event that isn’t either in a convention city (Vegas) or near the largest pockets of development. It makes sense to have it where your target market gathers, rather than asking the target market to go someplace else.

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