Xojo and the End of Carbon Support

In a blog post this week Xojo announced that they were dropping support for Carbon applications in Release 3 which is due in roughly 3 months. Furthermore, their reasoning for doing so was because the Carbon framework was causing interference with the ongoing iOS work.

At first blush, the decision kind of stinks. We still have some of our own applications and some client applications still using Carbon. Why are we still using Carbon? Mainly because of inertia. They work just fine as Carbon apps and we’ve identified enough items of concern (mainly threads) that will require some rework. Nothing that we haven’t done in other apps but for various reasons we (or the client) just haven’t bitten the bullet yet.

On the other hand, Carbon was deprecated over a year ago. If you haven’t tried to get your apps working in Cocoa by now I would say you have not been very proactive.

In other words, there was plenty of notice that Carbon was going to die a long slow painful death. Carbon bugs just aren’t going to get fixed unless they were critical and the definition of ‘critical’ gets less and less as time goes on. So it makes sense to just kill it and move on.

What about the iOS part? Well, that’s an interesting twist, I must admit. I can only speculate that getting iOS to work properly with all of the existing platforms was going to cause some major work (and future maintenance) in the Carbon framework. Why do all that work for a deprecated target?

This means that we should all be beating the hell out of our Cocoa applications to make sure bugs are squashed or decent workarounds found. If a Cocoa bug has been keeping you from moving to Cocoa and you haven’t reported it yet it’s your own damned fault. Now you have no excuse.  The clock is ticking.

For us, we have to have the discussion with our clients. Either they move to Cocoa and stay more or less in sync with the latest Xojo or we stick with an older version for Xojo (or Real Studio). The pain can be modest now or major later. From experience the more out of sync you are with the current release the more painful it is to update a project to the current version.

The good news is that Xojo Release 2 should work for many years so if you have to support Carbon apps it’s possible. The bad news is that you never know what Apple’s yearly updates will do to Carbon.  It’s probably just a matter of time before they kill Carbon but whether that’s one year or five only Apple knows.

I don’t see this is a huge deal for Xojo developers. The writing was on the wall for Carbon applications for a while. And honestly, Cocoa isn’t a huge transition for most applications and the end result is a much better application.

What do you think about the end of Carbon support?

3 thoughts on “Xojo and the End of Carbon Support

  1. I’m kinda in the same boat. An enormous Carbon app that I’m dreading porting over to Cocoa for similar reasons. I’m still using RS2011r3 because I need to support PPC. However, the writing is on the wall, and I will be dropping Carbon for Cocoa for the next major release.

    Another reason I’ve been putting it off has been the wait for Cocoa-compatible plugins from Einhugur which are slowly appearing.

  2. My main app has been Cocoa for 3 years now.

    @Paul: the Einhugur plugins have been Cocoa for a long time now. What are you waiting for? The Retina support is still missing.

  3. Not all of the Einhugur plugins have been updated. e.g. GammaLib (which I might be the only user of). I have been talking to Björn about it today.

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